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    43 Responses to Jon skewers … offers playbook to Dems

    1. Tyler
      September 5, 2008 at

      I love that man

    2. U R N IDIOT
      September 5, 2008 at

      That’s the playbook to beat McCain-Palin. Well, good luck with that.

      Stick to bike racing.

    3. Michael Hernandez
      September 5, 2008 at

      well argued.

      which is a nice transition into a subject i’ll be writing on in the near future … the idiocy, the xenophobia, the absolute cognitive dissonance of cultural conservatism in the republican party.

      for example, Sarah Palin’s husband is a member of the steel worker’s union.

      just think about that for a moment …

      union membership (benefits, protections, collective bargaining powers, etc)

      vs.

      republican fiscal policy
      – – –

      cognitive dissonance … or just plain schizophrenia.

      to vote republican solely on the grounds of cultural conservatism, and in doing so, to vote for policies that directly damage their own economic stability?

      that’s idiotic.

    4. U R N IDIOT
      September 5, 2008 at

      Hernundo, touche. Well argued by you.

      “the idiocy, the xenophobia, the absolute cognitive dissonance of cultural conservatism in the republican party.” But I thought you were above making personal attacks. Guess when it only applies to you. Just like a dem, pure hypocrite bullshit.

      Stick with your same old tired arguments that are pure losers.

      Perhaps, he didn’t want to be a member of the union. I guess you think everyone thinks unions are just great. Here’s a fact…many are corrupt and do little for their members.

      “to vote republican solely on the grounds of cultural conservatism, and in doing so, to vote for policies that directly damage their own economic stability?” You and I do agree that many people don’t vote with purely self-interest. It still amazes me that wealthy entrepreneurs can vote for a raise your tax dem, but they do.

    5. Michael Hernandez
      September 5, 2008 at

      “perhaps he didn’t want to be a member of the union” …

      is this a typo? or, are you that dim?


      and i disagree completely with your statement that “people don’t vote with purely self-interest” … i think that cultural conservatives have DELUDED themselves as to what their self-interests are.

      or, have been deluded by the socio-political and corporate power structures that maintain and increase their power and wealth through the exploitation of cultural conservatives’ collective fear and ignorance.

      FEAR AND IGNORANCE.

    6. U R N IDIOT
      September 5, 2008 at

      Dim? Do you even have a freaking job? Is there anyone who is dumb enough to hire you? You have clearly taken too many falls on your bike, spandex boy.

      “socio-political and corporate power structures” I guess you throw some big words in there and it makes you feel good. Did you hear them say that at a code pink rally?

      Deluded themselves?

      I just wish that your mother had aborted your stupid ass.

      Go back to riding your bikey around, dip shit.

    7. Michael Hernandez
      September 5, 2008 at

      case
      in
      point

    8. U R N IDIOT
      September 5, 2008 at

      what
      the
      fuck
      is
      wrong
      with
      you
      ?

    9. Sabine
      September 5, 2008 at

      Michael smells nice too.

    10. Tom in SJ
      September 5, 2008 at

      This is why I am non-partisan.

    11. Matt
      September 5, 2008 at

      Ahhh the ripe reposte of the campaign season…

      People do join unions purely for the job, not necessarily for the ideology, but to castigate unions across the board is to conveniently forget the good they have done (yes, primarily past tense). Michael has a point about missing the crux of the republican platform through blind adherence. Case in point republican middle class seniors supporting the prescription drug benefit, or retired military supporting McCain while he presses to limit their benefits. Of course rather than argue policy URN IDIOT you’d rather engage in the tried and true republican stancion of last resort – ridicule. I guess if it’s good enough for classy Guliani, sincere Romney, and the hockey mom it must be good enough for you as well….

      “You’re mother should have aborted you”…..good christ your pathetic

    12. The Doctor
      September 6, 2008 at

      I guess you don’t have the balls to let me post a contrary view.

      Typical liberal.

      I speak truth to power.

    13. Michael Hernandez
      September 6, 2008 at

      ok

    14. The Doctor
      September 7, 2008 at

      Good answer.

    15. macfreshy
      September 8, 2008 at

      Its not at all surprising that the oh so obviously staunch republican would resort to name calling and ridicule in this sense. In this day and age just about the only people who could fall for the “drill baby drill” or “the american economy has made tremendous progress bits” are the truly old school manifest destiny types, those folks that believe whole heartedly that “america is the best damn country on earth” and that as such we can do whatever it is we want. Don’t try to confuse them with the facts man, they’ve got their minds made up.

      The Democrats are the tax and spend types, while the war-mongers waste billions a week on an illegal war in Iraq and I cant afford health care or get financial. George W has undone all the financial gains of administrations past (read Clinton mostly) and plunged us deep into a hole of international distrust debt, but its the liberals that spend money??

      Seriously, what planets do you lemmings come from?

    16. macfreshy
      September 8, 2008 at

      Oops, thats “financial aid”, as in education, you know so that mine and future generations can make more informed choices and improve the state of the world and such. Im sure I should have enlisted to get money from the government, but I thought rather than die for the Cheney family’s cauffers Id just take the loans and live to use my education.

    17. brenty
      September 8, 2008 at

      I’d hire you Mikey. You make great Nachos!
      I have to say from knowing Mike at least he takes the time to read the news, political views, plans etc and not just watch Fox news.

      Whoever wins in November will have his hands full dealing with all the spending and all the buried Future costs associated with the war in Iraq and return of soldiers to the states for years and years to come.. Unless we keep it a 100 year war.
      Somehow I doubt any Tax cuts are coming from McCain and war will be our excuses.

    18. U R N IDIOT
      September 8, 2008 at

      Well there you have it. Mikey can get a job rolling tacos.

      I’m sure Brenty has an illegal do it right now, but Mikey could do the job that Americans won’t do.

      So where does Mikey get his “news” from? The Huffy Post, Moveon.org, maybe a code pink rally? Oh yeah, Fox News bad. I forgot the liberal talking points.

      Funny how liberal are worried about all the spending when B. Hussein Obama wants to tax the rich ($250,000 per year is the new rich) socialize one of the largest portions of our economy, and give money to the lest productive in our society. No worries about his spending?

      War bad, flowers good. Duh.

    19. Michael Hernandez
      September 8, 2008 at

      mmm, tacos are good.

    20. brenty
      September 8, 2008 at

      Burritos are rolled.. not Tacos.

      Liberals are not worried about spending as a whole, only things that just don’t add up…

      URNIdiot is obviously another one of those young republican implants paid by the republican party to pounce on blogs with any other views besides theirs.
      I myself was a registered Republican but the Neo Nazi movement within the republican party scared me away when they forgot about everything important except gun control, book burning , creationism and how big their Escalade is and how weak everyone else is.

      The white population will be the minority in a few years (according to McCain himself) so you better be nice to those mexicans and start enjoying those tacos as the prices are going up.

      The argument about giving money to the least productive in society is very short sighted. Not everyone can gradute from college and or make 250K.. Some are destined to be in wheelchairs and have mental challenges that limit their abilities … Possibly URNIdiot thinks “Screw those weak bastards especially since they didn’t take the opportunity given to them from Palins [operation specially challenged] money”..
      Some live in parts of the country where there is no opportunity to make that kind of living, others just lack the skills to do more than what you would consider menial work.
      These people are truly the nuts and bolts of any successful person anyway. I happen to know some of those very hardworking people who have jobs but can barely make ends meet and struggle to have insurance.

      $250K a year is way more than most the Americans make. I have no fear to give up more percentages of my wages in taxes to help those who don’t if I make more than that. It is the most patriotic thing one can do.

    21. U R N IDIOT
      September 8, 2008 at

      Hey Brenty baby,

      Income is not wealth, so when the commies in your party want to redistribute wealth, they are defining it by income, not wealth.

      Oh yeah, people in wheelchairs? Is that the best you can come up with? Mental challenges? I’m not giving you a red cent.

      I myself was a leftist (produced by my commie professors in college) but realized very quickly that liberals are idiots. Big fact stupid idiots.

      Let’s all hold hands, sing kumbye ya, smoke dope, and pray for HOPE AND CHANGE!!!

      If you don’t have a problem sending in more money to the government, why havene’t you done it? OK, so send it in (all the liberals this is for you) and leave me alone to raise my family.

      We are the ones we have been waiting for. Praise OBAMA!

    22. Michael Hernandez
      September 8, 2008 at

      your posts are allowed because they speak for themselves as to your level of intelligence, empathy, and maturity.

      but when your posts become too rabid, they will be deleted.

    23. The Doctor
      September 9, 2008 at

      Well Hernundo,,

      Your liberal tolerance is bleeding through. Your fellow libs can call me names and that is permitted. Got it.

      Perhaps you can throw a pie in my face, too.

    24. macfreshy
      September 9, 2008 at

      It seems like the biggest debate isnt whether we should spend money, its just a matter of should we spend money to help people (healthcare, social services, etc.) or should we spend money to destroy people and places. Why curb your use of petroleum when you can just find more for a while? Our kids you say, the future of the planet you say….Who cares as long as I can keep driving the Escalade. And back to the money bit, take a look at how much money we could save if we ended the illegal war in the middle east, and freed some of the 1,000,000 plus people incarcerated at 44,000 dollars a year per for simple drug offences and the like.

      You do away with a bit of that good ol right wing spending and all the sudden we’re all laughing……

      Oh but wait, that gets us back to helping people…oh well

    25. U R N IDIOT
      September 9, 2008 at

      “should we spend money to help people (healthcare, social services, etc.) or should we spend money to destroy people and places.”

      Yes. That is the debate. Republicans want to take money and blow shit up while dems want to help people. How nice.

      That simple statement has changed the entire debate for me. I’m going to become a liberal so I can spend money to help people.

      STOOPID.

    26. shawndoggy
      September 9, 2008 at

      HEY URN, how about spending some money to pay off the national debt? By running up our national debt without ever intending to pay it off we’re going to be in for a ginormous stealth tax increase when our currency crashes and our money is worth half its value (and don’t think you haven’t already seen a bit of that vis a vis fuel prices). Two ways to do that: cut services or raise more tax revenue (or a combo of both, obviously). But the current plans of spend more/tax less aren’t going to work (and frankly I’m a little disappointed about obama’s pandering on that issue).

    27. nitro
      September 9, 2008 at

      IDIOT, you don’t make much of a policy debate. By trying to tag Obama with Hussein, and blindly labeling things as liberal so as to say that they are stoopid, advances nothing. If you such a empty vessel to have your values shaped by profs, then it explains how you simply insult others that disagree. It’s easier to take on that perspective.

      And if you are talking about “socializing” one of the largest segments of our economy, meaning health care, it also happens to be one of the most inefficient segments of our economy. That’s because it is not a market. It’s paid by third parties, costs do not equal price, and costs of high end treatment, and high cost treatment such as emergency care, are born by all. Either make it a true market, or put it with education. After all, if education were private, then that would actually be the biggest segment of our economy.

      And yes, given that we need to pare down our debt, that cost should be born by those who can afford it, and who have benefited the most from our countries wealth. Yes, it is our country’s wealth (resources, human capital) that makes it so they can generate that income. However, we are pissing away much of our wealth to service debt. How would you propose to fix this. Wish it away? Blind faith in the Laffer curve? Yet, the last time taxes were raised on the upper income bracket, deficits started coming down, and we hit surplus. And hey, the economy did not tank.

      But, silly my, I’m just a liberal, and used to be a prof, clearly I’m wrong.

    28. The Doctor
      September 9, 2008 at

      We have been destroyed as a country by our politician’s failure to control their blind spending.

      Both Republicans and Democrats.

      They don’t care, it is not their money.

    29. nitro
      September 9, 2008 at

      There’s a lot of truth to that, Doctor. But, it is a democracy, so they are just giving us what we want. They need to act in a more enlightened manner.

      Yet, when the deficit becomes an issue, politically, we can figure out how to tackle it. It’s happened before. And as soon as we are in the black, annually, we say screw paring down the debt, let’s give the money back. Again, we live in a democracy, and the Laffer curve is damn appealing, politically that is, who cares if empirically it ain’t worth squat.

    30. shawndoggy
      September 10, 2008 at

      Laffer curve. Ha ha.

      “The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. “Voodoo” economics.”

    31. nitro
      September 10, 2008 at

      Yet, the young son promotes this, even though he will not call it by name. And, he pulled more voodoo economics by pushing a tax plan with a sunset clause, knowing full well that it does not work. So, budget projections, which follow history, which shows that the revenue return from increased GDP has never surpassed revenue lost. Yet, when projections were based on tax rate returning to prior levels after the economy bounces from cash injection, the return to previous tax levels will generate more revenue, which brings down deficits. And if responsible, can take care of debt. If responsible.

      If little Bush really believed in the power of his taxes, he would have made them permanent, and said to hell with the budget projections under the assumption of them being permanent. But instead, he waved the projections around as evidence that his tax cuts would lower the deficit. Vooooodooooo.

    32. Michael Hernandez
      September 10, 2008 at

      so hawt

    33. shawndoggy
      September 10, 2008 at

      Oh c’mon nitro, aren’t you at least going to call me out on the quote? Anyone? Anyone?

      Jeez, I crack myself up!

    34. Michael Hernandez
      September 10, 2008 at

      you are the lunatic fringe, all right…

    35. nitro
      September 10, 2008 at

      Now that you mention it, I can hear that economists/comedian’s voice now.

      Bueller? Bueller?

    36. SASSER
      September 10, 2008 at

      I find this stuff funny myself.

      My views have changed over the years but what has not changed is this banter back and forth from both sides and the name calling, its lame.

      I say hold a general election, winner gets the oval office and 2nd place get the VP. Non partisan and kinda like a bike race except 3rd place on the podioum gets nadda……

      I like it

      MS

    37. SASSER
      September 10, 2008 at

      and before I went and stopped racing I could spell podium

      MS

    38. nitro
      September 10, 2008 at

      I think that this blog intentionally misspells things and messes with grammar just to make the posters look silly. That, or I’m too used to having copy editors go over my sloppy typing.

      By the way, get on that bike, hick boy (sorry, can’t help with the name calling).

    39. SASSER
      September 10, 2008 at

      Well ya know I like it

      Lost 15lbs and having a good time getting sweaty, its all good’ish

      MS

    40. shawndoggy
      September 10, 2008 at

      We have a winner! Ben Stein.

      And I’m with Sasser on this one. Well sorta. I loathe the people mag / american idol he said she said feigned umbrage cluster-f that’s going on right now. Let’s get to the issues where the candidates have real differences. But it seems like neither party can rev up its base into a frenzy without going all “Oh no you diiiin’t!” on the other side.

      We feel sorry for Kenyans and Rowandans and Bosnians for doing the same thing (tsk tsk, poor backward people with tribal/ethnic differences) but it’s really the same can of crap that’s going on right now. Apparently people who can’t understand issues still get to vote, and they are better motivated by a good public airing of phony grievances.

    41. nitro
      September 10, 2008 at

      I’m making a commitment to only be for, not against. Being an Aggie (Gig’m Whoop!), I know what it is like to be in a place that had more anti stickers than pro stickers. It’s time to be pro.

      Pro responsible fiscal policy.

      Pro diplomacy.

      Pro protecting people’s religious views from other people’s religious views.

      Pro for policies that don’t put values on some relationships/lifestyles of adults, and devalue others.

      Pro, articulate, inspiring, self-made leadership.

      Gig’m Whoop!

    42. NapoleanD
      September 10, 2008 at

      I am pro RexKwanDo, pro delicious bass, pro dang kaysuhdillas, pro Pedro, etc.

      I’m with Mikey – tacos are good…….mmmmmmmmmmm (they can definitely be rolled – tacquitos…..mmmmmmmm).

    43. hAndy
      September 10, 2008 at

      tacquitos in northern cali and costco….

      Rolled Tacos when I was in San diego….

      In the end, that Mc guy is going to win because the people that dont care outnumber those that do.

      “Ignorance is bliss” should be the American motto

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